Why do some people live longer than others?
More importantly, why are some cultures happier and healthier, while others are stuck with [depression](https://evidencemag.com/how-to-cure-anxiety/) and disease?
There’s no way to say for sure. This is all observational evidence, so it doesn’t prove anything conclusively, but wouldn’t it be cool to go live with them for a while and see what they’re doing differently?
That’s what [Luke Sniewski](https://leaflifestyle.com/) decided to do. Luke is traveling the world examining what helps different cultures thrive. So far, he’s identified six essential habits that all healthy cultures use to maintain their health and happiness. Luke shares his findings on this episode of Evidence Radio.
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[The Roadkill Cure](https://www.leaflifestyle.com/the-roadkill-cure-4/)
[The Outback Champ](https://www.leaflifestyle.com/outback-champ/)
[Elements of Adrenaline](https://www.leaflifestyle.com/adrenaline-test/)
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**Armi Legge:** Hello and welcome to Evidence Radio, the podcast where we help you simplify your health and fitness with the latest scientific evidence. My name is Armi Legge and today, we are going to talk with Luke Sniewski. Luke is working on a very interesting project. He is traveling around the world to observe how different cultures optimize their health, or how they stay healthy and live as long as possible. Luke is a writer and personal trainer. He is the author of a book called “A Million Ways to Live,” where he looks at some of these issues.
On today’s interview, Luke talks about the inspiration for his story, the six common behaviors that almost all healthy cultures share, the hardest part about getting this project off the ground, some of the craziest things that have happened to him so far, and tips for how to stay fit and healthy on the road since he’s going to be traveling nonstop for the next several months. So without further delay, let’s hear what Luke Sniewski has to say.
Cool, so Luke, thank you for coming on Evidence Radio. Your project, the one you’re working on now, definitely caught my attention and it looks like we know a lot of the same people, so I’d love for you to explain what you’ve been working on for the past few years.
**Luke Sniewski:** Okay, so a few years ago I had my gym Leaf. It was just a wellness studio in Santa Monica but I really wanted to have a broader and greater impact than just a small training studio, so I kind of thought of both at the same time. I thought of my next book project. I was also thinking about a way to illustrate, in fun and entertaining ways, my book in action. My book is called “A Million Ways to Live” and it’s about the six healthy lifestyle principles, what I believe to be the foundations of a healthy life. So real food, movement, rest and relaxation, lifelong learning, community, and love. It’s pretty much the six guiding principles that I try to implement with myself, with my clients, with my friends. It’s the foundation. It’s the bread and butter.
The reason it’s called “A Million Ways to Live” is because with those principles, you can apply them in a million different ways, and that’s what motivated me to do this webseries, documentary series internationally where I get to travel, which is one of my passions. I get to meet new people, which is another thing I love to do, and I get to learn. I want to show the world, rather than fear mongering, fun ways how these principles are being implemented by uniquely healthy people all around the world and the trip technically starts in November, but we’ve already had the fortunate luck of finding six awesome episodes in three different countries already, so technically the trip has already started. We’re just taking a bit of a break since my son is 15 weeks old and we’re waiting for him to be just a little older so we can start the trip.
**Armi Legge:** Yeah, that sounds smart. So the gist of it is that you’re traveling around the world, looking at different cultures and examining how they’re applying these principles and what methods they’re using to stay healthy. Is that correct?
**Luke Sniewski:** Yes. It will always be focused on the single individual because we want to see how single individuals apply those principles but we also want to, to the best of our abilities, bring it back to the local culture that’s in place. In Australia, we could have done an Australian type of episode but I found the world kettlebell champion in Australia and I wanted to do that guy. But in Fiji, we definitely did Fijian culture, living off the land and we lived in a traditional Fijian village for a few days. So it will depend on the person, the location. Yeah, you’re right. I want to see how other cultures are doing it.
**Armi Legge:** So where have you been so far?
**Luke Sniewski:** We started the whole series in Lexington, Kentucky and right off the bat, I don’t know what kind of cultural thing I’d do there, but we found a guy by the name of Derrick Nance and a lot of people read about him in Vice. He got his 15 minutes of fame because he’s the guy who was eating raw meat and he cured some of his fibromyalgia chronic fatigue with a diet of predominantly raw meat. When I read about that, I instantly reached out to him. I’m Like, “Hey, we’re doing this web series and you’re going to be the first person we cover if you just let us fly out there.” It was a spur of the moment thing. It was two weeks before I was moving to Auckland, so it was the only chance we had.
We just flew to Lexington and we spent the weekend with him. It was an incredible story because here’s this guy. Real food, yes, raw meat is real food. He was showing us the quality of meat he was getting. It was from humane sources, all local. We got to talk about that a little bit. We talked about the health benefits of the organ meats he was eating. Food is only one part of a healthy lifestyle, so when we dug deeper, we found this amazing story where he also is a very good pole dancer. We got to join him in one of his pole dancing sessions. Then to add to it, his girlfriend is a vegetarian who owns a juice bar. It turned into this amazing story about acceptance and open-mindedness. That’s kind of the underlying theme that we’re trying to accomplish with the whole series, is to kind of be open to all the possibilities rather than be scared of other viewpoints. Be open to conversation and dialogue.
**Armi Legge:** Sure. I’ll be honest, if I heard of somebody just eating a raw meat diet, I would probably label them as a little crazy.
**Luke Sniewski:** You know, there’s a few videos out there of like him finding a piece of roadkill. There’s some interesting videos out there about him but he’s healthy as a horse and he proved it. He even got some medical tests to show some his critics like hey, everything is checking out alright.
**Armi Legge:** Good for him, man. I’ll be honest. At one point, I have eaten roadkill before. I was actually on a run. I grew up in the mountains of Virginia. There are a lot of hunters and farmers and people out there. There was this deer at the side of the road. It looked really fresh. I mean, there was still blood dripping out of it. I was like, “Holy crap. Look at that” So I ran over to it. I thought it would have gotten hit by a car. Then I looked at it and saw there were three bullet holes through it, so it looked like some poacher had just dumped it there a few minutes before. It was the middle of winter. It was like 20 degrees outside. I was like, “man, this thing is going to freeze, so I might as well just take it back.” I’ve been hunting a few times. I was thinking these people just did the hard part for me. Now I can just eat it.
I spent that evening, like three hours just cutting up this deer. I think I still have like a leg of it in my mom’s freezer back home. Yeah, it was kind of nuts.
**Luke Sniewski:** But you didn’t have any of it raw, did you?
**Armi Legge:** No, I should have clarified that. I have never eaten lots of raw meat. I’ve had sushi but that’s about it.
**Luke Sniewski:** I would classify that. I don’t know why people don’t classify fish as meat. It’s an animal.
**Armi Legge:** That’s a very fair point. I guess that makes it a little less crazy. When people think of some giant hunk of raw steak, it’s a little more intimidating than a little piece of sushi.
**Luke Sniewski:** It is. Actually, that illustrates the importance of culture and what dominates the mindset of people is what we’re trained and conditioned and used to and comfortable with is that image. We’re grossed out by that, but yet you take an animal out of the sea and we’re okay with eating it raw. So it’s all cultural stuff. That’s kind of the stuff we want to examine as well.
**Armi Legge:** Sure. Before we go more into your project and where you’re going to go and your goals with this, let’s talk a little bit more about your background even before you had the training facility. Where did you grow up? What were you kind of aspiring to do? What led you into the whole fitness health space?
**Luke Sniewski:** I got a degree in accounting. I was a CPA for a little bit. My brother told me to get the degree in that because he said it would be applicable to anything I wanted to do. Granted, he was very correct. It was just not a career path that I liked. I was sitting at a cubicle and I was getting more injured there than when I was playing professional football. I was a quarterback for a team in Italy, American football in Italy. It was really fun.
When I got back, I was sitting in this cubicle, my elbow starts hurting, my neck starts hurting. What’s this going on? I started doing some research. When you’re an athlete, and I’m pretty sure you’re the same, when you’re being coached for years and years, you do what you’re told. You show up when you’re supposed to show up. You train hard and you go home. Even though I had the foundation for an athletic body, I didn’t have the foundation or the knowledge of what they were doing for me. I had to go out and research for myself why I was starting to get injured sitting behind a desk. That’s what led into my gateway into personal training.
I’m so fortunate that I picked personal training as my gateway into the health and wellness industry because I think in terms of contact hours, you get such more in depth experience with your clients as a trainer than you would as a nutritionist, as a massage therapist, or even a doctor or PT because you’re not seeing someone when they’re sick or injured or they need some maintenance. You’re seeing them- another cultural thing- you’re seeing them three to five times a week for perpetuity until they don’t want to train anymore, until the event is up, until they lose the weight they want. It’s so much contact hours.
Not only do you get the exposure from a physical standpoint, that feedback from your training program, but you’re also getting so much of the emotional, mental, and behavioral aspect of it. I think after spending 10 years or so in the training industry, by now I hope I have realized that so much of a healthy lifestyle is rooted in behaviors and emotional and mental awareness and where they’re out there because you’re only with them three hours a week. The only 160+, they have to motivate themselves.
It’s fun because that was the foundation of what started my education path that eventually led to how do I get people to stay motivated.
**Armi Legge:** Wow, so it sounds like you’ve been doing this a long time, a lot longer than just the project you’re working on and the fitness place and California.
**Luke Sniewski:** Yeah. It’s been a passion. Every time you learn something, you realize how much you don’t know and for me, for a few years, it was like chasing certifications and chasing knowledge and chasing instructors and chasing mentors all around the country, in the States. It was fun. It’s just how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go? Every time you go deeper, you realize how much more there is to learn.
I got a masters degree in sustainable food systems and I went to cooking school because the nutritional certifications I had were one thing, but to practically apply them and understand the food system that was creating the food for my clients, I thought those two aspects were so important in coaching my clients because it’s the bridge between theory and application that’s so important. It’s not just, “this is true,” “eat this,” “eat that.” You have to understand where they’re getting their food from, how it’s getting there. You have to understand the economic implications for them as well as how you can easily teach them to prepare the stuff on their own.
**Armi Legge:** Right. I think cooking is probably the most underrated skill for staying lean and just healthy in general.
**Luke Sniewski:** Absolutely.
**Armi Legge:** I know people who knew everything about macronutrients and strength training and they set up these great programs and they’re good at just about everything else but they still don’t know how to cook.
**Luke Sniewski:** It’s a lost art, man. If you’re talking about food, you’re talking about what is it, where did it come from, how is it prepared. Those are the three questions I use to guide the real food principle in my book and my philosophy. I think if you’re cooking your food, it’s the only way to control all three questions. You know where you’re buying your ingredients from. You know that they’re fresh or not. Then you’re preparing it in healthy ways. There are so many ways to take a healthy meals and turn it into something unhealthy by cooking it or preparing it incorrectly.
**Armi Legge:** Yeah. I think just in general, too, let’s say someone’s just making homemade pizza every night or just burgers or something. That’s still going to make it easier to stay lean than if you’re buying everything else or eating at restaurants all the time.
**Luke Sniewski:** Absolutely.
**Armi Legge:** I think that even if people don’t care about it at all, they just don’t care about their health at all, just cooking at home is often enough to get them maybe 80% of the way there. It’s pretty big.
**Luke Sniewski:** I would think that as well.
**Armi Legge:** Out of curiosity, where did you go to cooking school?
**Luke Sniewski:** It was in Culver City. It was in LA. It was a school called the New School of Cooking. A few years ago, I was a sucker for certificates for completion and credentials. At the end of this awesome 20 week course, it was a full curriculum, and at the end of it you got professional cook certified. I liked that. At least I got something for the long haul and it’s not just a series of classes. It was a structured curriculum and they did a really good job with it. It’s not like the Cordon Bleu. It’s not 40Gs either. It’s affordable. It’s almost designed for the health and wellness professional in mind.
**Armi Legge:** That sounds really good, man. That’s one of my goals, is to go to a cooking class or at least a cooking school sometime. I don’t know. We’ll see, though. Let’s talk a little bit more about your project, the world traveling health expedition if you want to call it that. Where are you going to start?
**Luke Sniewski:** Right now, I’m in Auckland, New Zealand because my partner is a Kiwi. We had our son three months ago. We’re stopping in Fiji in November. We’re going to teach a health and wellness retreat in Fiji for a week and then we’re going back home to LA for the Thanksgiving holidays and then on November 28th, we’re hitting the road for Costa Rica. That’s the first destination. We already have the first four months booked, planned, like everything is finalized and we’re taking it kind of every three month period at a time to make sure everything is ordered and all in place, but we’ll be spending the first two and a half months in South America.
**Armi Legge:** Great. Where in South America?
**Luke Sniewski:** So Costa Rica first, then Peru, then Chile, then Argentina, and then Brazil. We’ve actually prolonged our stay than originally intended in Brazil because we wanted to be sure to be in Rio for Carnival because it’s one of those one in a lifetime bucket list things, like, “Hey, I was in Carnival in Rio.” After that, we’re flying to South Africa, so we’ve got that.
**Armi Legge:** I know South Africa mainly because that’s where a lot of professional triathletes train during the winter. I hear it’s a great outdoor spot for athletes.
**Luke Sniewski:** That will be interesting. We have a very interesting episode lined up for South Africa right now. We’re trying to be unique. We found a girl in South Africa who cooks shakes for severely poor community members who are doing good things. It’s just an amazing store of community and love. Those are two of the principles so we want to highlight that lifestyle as well. A million ways to live. That will be in Johannesburg. In Capetown, maybe we’ll find a triathlete there.
**Armi Legge:** You should, dude. There are a lot of them. Before we move on, I have to ask where in Brazil besides Rio are you going to be?
**Luke Sniewski:** We’ll definitely be in San Paolo and we’re also trying to go, I forget the name of the place, it might be Bahia but that’s where the birthplace of capoeira is. We definitely want to do an episode on capoeira. It’s very traditional and local to Brazil so we want to check that out. Plus, I know a few Brazilians here in Auckland and they say that the northeast coast of Brazil is where I want to be. I have to take their word for it.
**Armi Legge:** So what is capoeira for anyone who doesn’t know like me?
**Luke Sniewski:** It’s like a martial art. I guess the roots of it, I’m not 100% familiar with all the intricacies, but it was illegal to practice martial arts so they turned it into dance form. It’s technically a dance form but it teaches people martial arts. It looks like martial arts with flow and rhythm and dancing, but it was meant to disguise the fact that people were actually learning a martial art when they weren’t supposed to.
**Armi Legge:** Wow, that seems pretty cool. I kind of beat the crap out of my partners while I’m dancing anyways, so that would be perfect for me.
**Luke Sniewski:** Imagine breakdancing with roundhouse kicks.
**Armi Legge:** Awesome. The reason I’m prying so much about the Brazil trip is I may be living in Brazil later this year, so who knows. December is my plan. We may run into each other. I have no idea.
**Luke Sniewski:** If you’re in Brazil, we’ll definitely be there from- actually, their flights are booked. We’ll be there from February 1st to February 21st. So we’ll be there pretty much all of February.
**Armi Legge:** Sweet. Hopefully I’ll be there at that time.
**Luke Sniewski:** Nice. Do you know where you’re staying? Rio?
**Armi Legge:** The plan is to stay in Florianopolis, Brazil, which is this island city in the south. It’s kind of the surf capital. It’s kind of the Miami of South America. I know a few people there and they’ve said it’s really nice so hopefully I’ll go there.
**Luke Sniewski:** Nice.
**Armi Legge:** Yeah, I think it will be fun. Let’s get back to your project, though. What has been the hardest part about getting your project off the ground? It’s kind of like a dream job. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t like to travel at least a little bit and since everyone who listens to this podcast is into health and fitness, this just sounds awesome. So what was the hardest part about starting this?
**Luke Sniewski:** Kind of the vision about the whole thing, it really came to me like three years ago. It was about what are my bottlenecks. I have always tried to control all the variables of the project so that way the only person that stops me from completing a project is me. I knew the factors that were really preventing me from doing this were the skills I needed to film, the skills I needed to edit. I just started making youtube videos for my company and started learning as much as I could from other editors.
It was skill acquisition at first, and then since I’ve known for awhile that I’m doing this, finances are a bit tough when you’re traveling around the world for an entire year, so it’s about saving up money very early on when you know you’re doing something this big. The thing is when I first started doing this, I was single. I was like, okay, I’m going to hire someone on craigslist at each location I’m at to follow me around and be the camera person for that episode. Then when I met Claire, who had experience as a reporter and in production and she was a TV newsanchor here in New Zealand for a number of years, I was like wow, this is such an amazing complementary set of skills and I’m doing this project. Would you like to come? She was like sure, let’s do this. It turned into a two-person project like that.
When we found out Jack was joining us in this world, we had a choice of either just canceling the trip or just creating another solution to consider him. One of my friends back in LA who’s just as much an adventurous soul as me, he’s 25. He’s going to be our production assistant/nanny for the trip. We will have the help we need to make sure that the baby is taken care of when we’re doing an episode. It’s just going to be us four traveling around and having fun learning and hopefully educating people as well.
**Armi Legge:** Wow, that’s awesome. I always thought if I had a kid, I definitely want to keep him traveling until he’s like 10. Just go all over the place.
**Luke Sniewski:** Jack is going to have like 30-something passport stamps by the time he’s two years old. He’s not going to remember anything but it will be a really cool show and tell item for when he’s in like 1st grade. He’s like, “Here’s me as a infant and I don’t remember any of this.” But I’m one of the people that thinks that kind of environment will have a huge effect on his subconscious mind and subconscious thinking and I know he’ll soak it in even though he doesn’t remember it. I know it will actually help shape him.
**Armi Legge:** I bet it will, man. I think that will have a big impact on him, hopefully in a positive way. I think that it will. Let’s talk a little bit more about these six lessons. If you could recap on them and kind of help us understand what made you distill it down to these six principles.
**Luke Sniewski:** Okay, so the six healthy lifestyle principles that I talk about in the book and are the topics for each episode. I always pick two or three per person. They’re real food, movement, rest and relaxation, lifelong learning, community, and love. The reason I boiled it down to principles is because there are so many diets out there, so many professionals, so many doctors, so many studies, so many celebrities, so many success stories. It’s just hard to filter who to believe. I wanted to narrow it down to what they all had in common.
I would say the most successful, the most popular, and the best diets out there, they all have a foundation of real food. It’s unprocessed, real food, as close to nature as possible. That was the easy one.
Movement. There’s testimony for pilates, for yoga, for all these things, for Crossfit, for everything. I wanted to see what fundamentally was going on for movement. It’s circulation for the human body. It’s providing nourishment to the tissue that needs it and not sitting down on your butt all day doing nothing. I think that daily movement is more important than irregularly following a structured exercise plan. If someone is moving as habitually as brushing their teeth, I would argue they’re probably going to have health and longevity more so than someone who sits for 19 ½ hours per day and throws out a 30 minute circuit three times a week.
Rest and relaxation. That’s huge to me. I learned that the hard way, how important it is to rest and recover, not just be working all the time. The body tears down. It sends you symptoms. It’s your cold first, it’s some soreness first. It’s all these little signs that tell your body hey, take it back a notch, do some recovery strategies, get some sleep, do some foam rolling. Do whatever you have to do to help your body recover so you don’t succumb to all these signs that are showing you that you are pushing it a little too hard.
The other three principles are really lifestyle based, I mean like proactive lifestyle. It’s what you do outside your diet and exercise plan. I think that learning is important for everything. I’ve always had an intellectual curiosity. I don’t think that people need a reason to want to learn. I think that people are naturally craving knowledge and that sort of thing.
Then community. I think that having your cheer squad, the most important people in your life who are supporting you, pushing you, keeping you accountable to your goals, that’s important.
Then the love chapter actually changed and evolved in terms of how I thought of it. When I first thought of that principle, I was thinking about it in a completely different way than I do now. In the book, I talk about how I bring it all back to emotions and loving yourself but loving the moment as it is rather than trying to chase certain emotions because society says those are the emotions to chase.
I talk about how people are depressed about being depressed rather than just beg okay with being depressed in the moment, feeling it, and moving on. Or people feel a negative emotion whether it’s anger or fear or grief. Whatever it is, whatever is coming up, people feel it and they’re so uncomfortable and they’ve been trained to push it away that they’re emotionally eating or binge drinking, or when they’re really stressed out, they’ll go exercise. I’m not saying it’s bad to exercise. I’m saying that it can be a form of addiction if you’re using it to run away from normal human emotions that just aren’t always positive. It took a long time for me to come up with that perspective on love because love is such an ambiguous term. That’s the way I interpret it. Loving the moment as it is.
In the book, people do want to program. I learned a lot from Precision Nutrition and John Berardi. Those are great folks over there. I really love how they’ve been habit focused and each principle in the book comes with four to six habits, things that you can do that aren’t specifically what to do instructions, but they’re more based on habitually doing something in your life that’s in line with the principles that get you moving in the right direction.
My book isn’t the answer for everything. My book is the tip of the iceberg. It’s the blueprint. It’s what you use to go create your own healthy lifestyle. The tagline for the book is “be your own wellness guru” because I want people to be accountable to themselves. I want people to take responsibility for their own health. I want them to be curious and be a lifelong learner and go learn about some of these things themselves. I really think that experience is the best teacher. You have to go out and experience some of these things.
I don’t know if you have any experience with Crossfit, but I was very, very anti-Crossfit until I experienced it and I saw the pros and I saw the cons. I got to experience it firsthand, what it was, what it felt like, and what its limitations are, what the strengths are. But I saw that all from an experiential aspect rather than reading about people bashing it everywhere or people praising it everywhere in other forums and facebook threads. It was eye-opening for me to step into that world and be open-minded enough to experience it.
**Armi Legge:** I think you’re right. Experience, I think, is underrated in a lot of ways. It’s very easy in the fitness industry to do this kind of stuff where you bash on everything that comes up on social media or wherever, but I like the fact that you are taking a more open-minded approach but you’re still using very grounded principles to help get that across.
**Luke Sniewski:** Yeah, and I think that you’ll love this. Actually, I know that you’ll love this. I really tried to use as many peer-reviewed studies as I could to prove the notions that I was talking about in my book because I think that a lot of my book is common sense, but obviously common sense isn’t always common practice. A lot of this stuff has been proven by scientific studies, by med analysis, all of these things that are grounded in research have proven that the simple approach is often the most effective, but we complicate things in smoke and mirrors and magic pills that try to just find shortcuts rather than saying, “No, this is the bare-bones of what you really need.”
**Armi Legge:** Yeah, I couldn’t agree more, man. I couldn’t agree more. Before we wrap up, I want to ask what is the craziest thing that has happened to you on your travels so far, either for this project or anything?
**Luke Sniewski:** When we were going to Fiji, Fiji was a layover. We had a seven day layover in Fiji on the way back to Auckland. We landed with no plans, with no itinerary. When we got to our place, the only thing we had booked was the first night at a little weird hotel. We were like okay, we’ll leave it up to chance to figure out how we’re going to do this first episode while traveling. It was the first episode we were doing outside the United States and we wanted to see what was going to happen.
The manager of the hotel ended up being- I walked up to him like, “Hey, man, I need to do an episode on Fijian cultural living and I need to highlight Fijian life. Can you help me?” He was like, “Alright.” I kind of talked to him about what I wanted to see. I knew I wanted to have some rugby, some living off the land. I wanted to see The Kava ceremonies, those sort of things that are traditional Fijian culture. We had done some research. He was like, “Oh yeah, well my family lives in a small village that you’re going to have to go to, but I’ve just called them and you’re going to be able to stay there for three days. Just bring a gift to the chief, otherwise they might not let you stay there.” I’m like, “Okay.”
We ended up having to take a bus, two flights, a ferry, a taxi, and another bus just to get to this small village of 250 people. We lived there for three days. It took us three days to travel there because of scheduling. When we got there, I mean my partner was pregnant, so it was just amazing that we have had to find- it was like a scavenger hunt to get to this village where we’re sleeping on the floor and really living like they are. It was eye-opening to say the least.
It ended up being really awesome because everything they use is right off the land. They use the coconut. They use all the parts of it. They brew all their tea using leaves off the tree. Not a lot of meat consumption, but every day, they’re playing rugby as a community. Then every night, they’re celebrating with Kava and playing music together. It was fascinating.
**Armi Legge:** Wow. Man, that sounds pretty cool. I’ve always been really obsessed with like survival and that kind of thing. When I was little, I would be that kid who would grab like three cans of beans or whatever and run out into the back field and not come back for like three days. I would love that. That’s very cool.
**Luke Sniewski:** I did a survival course once for my birthday. People were like, “Why are you going out just doing a survival course?” I love that stuff. I think it makes you feel independent and able.
**Armi Legge:** Yeah. I’m not an anti-materialist. I love my things and I love stuff, too, but at the same time, it’s nice to know you can survive without your iPhone for three days.
**Luke Sniewski:** Yeah, you know what, that’s absolutely correct. I’m not anti-material, too, but I’m definitely a minimalist, but my iPhone- I mean it’s amazing how addicted we can get a small little thing and then those are the instances where we get a reminder that there’s life outside of your pixelated screen.
**Armi Legge:** Sure, absolutely. Especially when you work online. That’s a pretty big problem.
**Luke Sniewski:** Yeah, you know, it’s weird. Even when I joined the health and wellness industry, you realize how many hours you spend at a computer, at a desk in front of a screen even though you’re not in an office.
**Armi Legge:** Yeah, that’s very true. Speaking of websites and sticking your face in a screen, where can people learn more about you, your book, and your project?
**Luke Sniewski:** If you go to www.leaflifestyle.com, that’s pretty much the platform that we’re using for the million ways to live series. They can see information on the book. They can see information on the webseries. There’s a few episodes that are out but they’re private, so we’re actually starting to release one episode at a time August 1st, but the trailer is up and running. All the information that they want is on the website. I’m on the website and then they can follow that link to my personal website, but I think this trip is about the other people and who we’re focusing on and that’s what I really like. This isn’t about us. This is about me going out and learning and seeing what else is out there.
**Armi Legge:** Perfect. Luke, thank you so much for sharing what you’re working on and about yourself personally and your journey. We will have to have you on the podcast again, maybe after you have gone to a few of these places.
**Luke Sniewski:** Yeah, that will be fun. Maybe we will do an update together in Brazil.
**Armi Legge:** Yeah, dude, that would be perfect. I’m definitely going to be in South America. For a little while. That would be great.
**Luke Sniewski:** Thanks again, Armi, for having me on. This is really awesome.
**Armi Legge:** Awesome.